If Gil saw Archer as less of a threat, there wouldn't have been any reason for him to shoot at the guy while his back was turned and busy with Shirou. Archer Gilgamesh being far more powerful is confirmed or at least heavily implied later in the story. Sy8000. The rest of the mystic codes were amps for other servants but not Gilgamesh. 214 comments. @zgtfreak: Sorry, what I meant was you saying that Genesis Mystic Code in CCC can turn their stats into EX ranked (In Gilgamesh's case, it's his tattoo), but the Hollow Ataraxia when Gilgamesh uses that tattoo, it's him using 100% of his power and also, can the tattoo or Mystic Code in Hollow Ataraxia edit his ranks to EX or no? ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. The rest of the mystic codes were amps for other servants but not Gilgamesh. It was off-screen so we don't know that he didn't use UBW, and UBW is useless against anyone but Gilgamesh anyway. That was because Enkidu tied up Gil's leg though. 6 Gilgamesh: Gilgamesh's Respect While Gilgamesh is scared of Archer, on the flip side, this means that he holds in relative high regard. Living Gil should be more powerful than Caster Gil, and even then he was still only able to walk away from his battle with Kingu because Kingu was messed up mentally. Sure, and they hyped the shit out of them and gave the CCC characters a ton of feats. Gilgamesh did empty his vault, but in that fight Enkidu lost 90% of his body. We know for a fact that Gil literally emptied his vault in his battle against Enkidu. And the Kingu that fought Gil didn’t get as serious as SF Enkidu, who Alcides should be comparable too via his battle against Archer Gilgamesh. @ecoblitz: I got the info from a guy who played the entire game in Japanese, apparently every Servant makes an assumption as to what the Mystic Code is (Nameless thinks that it is the Root, Tamamo thinks that it is her god form, Gil thinks that it is his original while Nero is just confused) and all of them are wrong, with the MC changing your origin to "You, the hero" (which is why Gil's code is the Origin Code, Tamamo's is the Sun Code, or something along these lines) so that you can bypass BB's Authority. Follow 37193. It’s less like Captain Marvel vs Superman and more along the lines that Enkidu is a built hard counter to Gilgamesh. He cannot turn into an archer. Gil wasn't really overwhelmed. Enkidu not having that is a huge difference. @sy8000: Merlin when he showed up in the underworld was his living incarnation and he casually displayed far greater Magecraft than anyone else before him. Which shows Enkidu can deal with everything in Gil’s vault Just fine. Everyone in GO is fodder to CCC Gilgamesh, including Grand Servants and Beasts. Gilgamesh is a caster only. He's nowhere near as versatile either though he's superior in CQC due to healing (he's made of clay so only getting his core destroyed will stop him) and stat re-allocation (he can amp one stat by lowering another). Gilgamesh because he is the true inheritor of One for All. Rani :: I can confirm that there is now a black box in the core of Gilgamesh’s virtual mind/body that was not previously present. Wiki Points. … @devoidruby: I guess living Gil if he is stronger. Special effects are why GoB is so hard for servants to handle. no actually the reason why Gilgamesh is so strong in Extra CCC because he was summoned as classless, basically the Mooncell summoned him not partially as a servant, but fully summoned him as a classless heroic spirit. It hasn't been stated there's a difference between them but we know Gil is inherently superior to all Servants via Nasuverse rules. And he obtained a power he never before had if we believe Mrballin's friend. @zgtfreak: Well I said equivalent, I'm pretty sure even Grand servants aren't fully summoned, as it stated that it's only a bigger container than a regular servant, IIRC, it doesn't state they are fully summoned as a Heroic Spirit, but a bigger container. And the Kingu that fought Gil didn’t get as serious as SF Enkidu, who Alcides should be comparable too via his battle against Archer Gilgamesh. Gil’s gonna have a harder time given Alcides has Magic Resistance A, Battle Continuation A+ and top notch Minds Eye along with a One shot method via his hydra arrows. And not being limited to class containers in general. So the attack is essentially on par with Gate of Babylon projectile showers, except unlike GoB the weapons don't have extra abilities. Yet that didn’t stop Enkidu from stalemating him. Rani :: I can confirm that there is now a black box in the core of Gilgamesh’s virtual mind/body that was not previously present. He sacrifices God Hand for 12 NPs to match his 12 labors. I originally thought the same as you. I'm not sure his firing accuracy would be the same because that's more of an Archer class thing, then again Gil doesn't have hawkeye or clairvoyance so maybe not. I'm admittedly not super familiar with this version of Herc. One cannot know with a certainty whether the original creator of the epic of Gilgamesh, whose name is lost in time, or Shin-eq i-, the scribe with whose version we are familiar today, knew anything of the legend of Heracles. Even if they're meant to be alive, that doesn't explain the enormous jump in power. 1 year ago. Different portrayals of characters and their abilities, simple as that. Servants | Archer (Fate Stay Night) - … Forum Posts. Between the four, in a round robin i'd go with the following results: Heracles vs Gilgamesh: Gilgamesh wins 7 out of 10 times. It's a bit like Superman vs Captain Marvel. Discussion. The weapons are all varied unlike the anime. The Extra timelines have entirely different power levels than the main timelines; and CCC Gilgamesh was created by the Moon Cell, which makes him far more powerful. In Strange Fake, Enkidu uses an NP that lets him make weapons out of earth to counter GoB. But he didn’t. They weren’t. The rest of the mystic codes were amps for other servants but not Gilgamesh. So Alcides dominates at range and up close. His actual name is Heracles, the greatest hero of Greek mythology. Additionally, Gilgamesh is armed with the Archer class’s high star absorption, further increased by Collector EX, as well as the Independent Action passive skill, making him a highly reliable critical damage dealer to boot. no actually the reason why Gilgamesh is so strong in Extra CCC because he was summoned as classless, basically the Mooncell summoned him not partially as a servant, but fully summoned him as a classless heroic spirit. Gik states in Link that him being an archer is the reason he’s wearing his golden armour for example. @mrballins says its a misconception if you read the fully translated game. Gilgamesh :: Naturally. Living Gil should be more powerful than Caster Gil, and even then he was still only able to walk away from his battle with Kingu because Kingu was messed up mentally. Enkidu is a complete stalemate via canon. Songs used: 8 bit version by The Voyagr: https://soundcloud.com/the_voyagr Other songs: https://pastebin.com/2LEJCLAC He also had good enough aim to shoot those jewels out of Ishtar's hand. My body won’t collapse under the level of power suitable to the legend, but the king’s true strength is not to be shown lightly. But isn’t a Servant Killer like Gilgamesh who can pull out a weapon that counters what you can do. Both versions have Bow of the Hydra and the Nemean Lion's Pelt though. It also lets you freely manipulate your stats (it raises them to star Rank, just like BB's) and makes you immune to her third eye, I cannot really cite this (beyond citing the guy who told me so) because the other routes have no translation as far as I am aware, so you are free to not take it into consideration if you want, Didn't this fight happen in canon already? Unlimited Blade Works and Saber vs Gilgamesh poor swordsmanship. Loading... Unsubscribe from Anime In Italiano? Enkidu’s weapons are all in par with Gil’s weapons and as shown in Strange Fake are enough to stop Gil’s most serious GoB spam to date. Both versions have Bow of the Hydra and the Nemean Lion's Pelt though. Only things made by gods for gods, or monsters, can bypass it. @devoidruby:>We know for a fact that Gil literally emptied his vault in his battle against Enkidu. Now, there's going to be a lot of people who automatically go for Archer because "Gil is shit with a sword," which I disagree with, but this is for you all to debate, really. Followers . © 2020 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. If beating Enkidu was as simple as pulling out a specific weapon or time and using its effect then Enkidu would have died in their first battle. Prime examples in Shirou (who stood a chance because of Gil's sandbagging) and Artoria (Avalon only). Nine Lives matched a full GoB barrage which is more than I'm under the impression Caster Gilgemesh dishes out normally. HerculesVSGilgamesh RulesIn characterNo prepWin by any meansStandard gearGilgamesh is a caster only. @sy8000: living versions are without doubt superior to their servant selves when it comes to people like Gil and Enkidu. Archer Gilgamesh being far more powerful is confirmed or at least heavily implied later in the story. Enkidu not having that is a huge difference. It’s FGO bond levels state they’re equal and he’s never been stated to be inferior to Gil in combat power. Vernon Ave. Loudonville, OH 44842 From what I've heard and read of the new SF volume, apparently Gil actually gains the upper hand on Alcides by using only GoB and only loses due to Ishtar sealing it with her key, so Gil should win this. 24. Gil Beats certain servants easier than other servants because he naturally has the best matchup against them. But he didn’t. Not sure there's any proof living Gilgamesh is superior. Gik states in Link that him being an archer is the reason he’s wearing his golden armour for example. Any feat that Gil performs that doesn’t involve an external amp like his genesis mystic code, Enkidu automatically scales to due to their legend. Granted, Caster Gil is less arrogant so he'll try firing at areas the pelt doesn't cover (the Nemean Lion's Pelt rejects everything from human history. My understanding is this is the strongest version of Herc so I was curious to see how a stronger version of Herc would do against a weaker Gilgamesh. He is the King of Heroes, the hero of the oldest epic poem in human history, who possessed all things in the world. The Extra timelines have entirely different power levels than the main timelines; and CCC Gilgamesh was created by the Moon Cell, which makes him far more powerful. Gilgamesh did empty his vault, but in that fight Enkidu lost 90% of his body. So, while he can stalemate to a certain point, it's not like he can do it with no effort. Alcides by contrast did very well against Archer Gilgamesh, and scaling from Gil is why Enkidu is considered impressive. Being summoned as one of the Three Knight Classes his status as a "faultless hero" is all the more appa… Furthermore…it’s a very powerful engine, so please take care when using it. Gilgamesh because he is the true inheritor of One for All. What exactly would Gilgamesh have in other classes that he doesn't as Archer? And what's the misconception regarding his tattoo or mystic code? It would make no sense for this to be fair for Gilgamesh but I guess I should watch the new episode. Heracles(ヘラクレス, Herakuresu?, Hercules), the greatest hero in Greek mythology is portrayed as several different distinct characters in the Nasuverse: Berserker, an antagonistic Servant in Fate/stay night. I'm basically going off of the current anime and that's the version being used. Hassan could beat Gil the majority of the time as Grand Assassin. But yes he's Gil's closest match, except maybe Buddha. After Mash has the girl run off to safety, … And what's the misconception regarding his tattoo or mystic code? CasGil's profile also states that he has the same GoB as Archer (Babylonia Gil is actually more limited in that regard), so the fight should go the same way. Artoria for example missing her lance, dagger and such. 0. Alcides, Heracles Alter showed the ability to match Gilgamesh. My body won’t collapse under the level of power suitable to the legend, but the king’s true strength is not to be shown lightly. Gilgamesh v.s EMIYA. Nine Lives matched a full GoB barrage which is more than I'm under the impression Caster Gilgemesh dishes out normally. No they were playing around that’s why they were both so happy as they were fighting and laughing, and Gilgamesh even calls it a reunion when rider was coming to stop their fight cuz it was disturbing his master. There are some things Gil would/should/probably does have that would get through, but Ea is the main one and Caster Gil doesn't have it. So Gil = Enkidu > Alcides > Episode 5 Kingu > Living Caster Gilgamesh > Servant Caster Gilgamesh. Yet that didn’t stop Enkidu from stalemating him. Enkidu doesn’t need feats against other Servants when the feats he has prove he’s Gil’s equal by virtue of canonically stalemating him in lore and his battle against Gil in strange fake showing them as being dead equal. @ecoblitz: his mystic code is his original power... it’s not an amp but simply him returning back to his original power. Berserker dies. Kingu had him dead to right with his casual Age of Babylon spam, while Alcides is capable of causally brushing his way through Archer Gil’s GoB spam. The epics of Heracles and Gilgamesh are an exceptionally good example of these similarities. This is likely the legendary mystic code. He sacrifices God Hand for 12 NPs to match his 12 labors. So, while he can stalemate to a certain point, it's not like he can do it with no effort. He also has another NP that lets him steal other NPs but I don't think we know enough about how it works. Please limit your use of it to one time only. If beating Enkidu was as simple as pulling out a specific weapon or time and using its effect then Enkidu would have died in their first battle. Until then, I will accompany you in earnest while on my pleasure trip. Servant Merlin couldn’t do jack against Gorgon while Living Merlin showed up and just negated the Chaos Tide. But he didn’t. My point is Kingu caught Gill off guard. 419-994-5488. Gil’s gonna have a harder time given Alcides has Magic Resistance A, Battle Continuation A+ and top notch Minds Eye along with a One shot method via his hydra arrows. Gilgamesh is the Archer-class Servant of Tokiomi Tohsaka during the Fourth Holy Grail War. Gilgamesh also sort of has to be superior by sheer concept. @jashro44: Living Gil still isn’t going to help much. @sy8000: To be fair the reason Enkidu had a chance to beat Gilgamesh was because he caught his leg by surprise. Sure, and they hyped the shit out of them and gave the CCC characters a ton of feats. @jashro44: Kingu’s general power allows him to do that. @ecoblitz: It is because it isn’t something he Uses/has access to normally. That was because Enkidu tied up Gil's leg though. @devoidruby: his mystic code is his original power... it’s not an amp but simply him returning back to his original power. Who else has been shown to be capable, or who else could theoretically do it? not actually hercules but alcides, alcides wins mid diff. It’s stated that Saber Alter needs infinite mana to possibly surpass her living self. Are we using Caster Gilgamesh or living Gilgamesh? @ecoblitz: Same here. Furthermore…it’s a very powerful engine, so please take care when using it. The class container comment is in referral to servants in general being limited. People need to remember that Caster Gil is actually better as a support than anything (his only EX-ranked NP in this state is used to give perfect battle tactics). Out of the presented servants, I’m not sure any get the perfect 10/10 except for a few. Enkidu has the best matchup against Gilgamesh by virtue of his own skills, which is why he’d have more trouble vs Karna than Gil might, but is still capable of matching Gil. It’s stated that Saber Alter needs infinite mana to possibly surpass her living self. True Archer Herc wins mid-diff at the very most. Hercules' would be strongest as an Archer, but seeing how hopelessly outnumbered he is in terms of firepower, I don't think it would've made a difference. If Gil was capable of matching Kingu truly as a Caster he would have been able to do similar things to Kingu and react accordingly. Alcides is a strong hero with parameters higher than Gilgamesh and strong enough to be denoted as quite strong by Enkidu's Presence Detection. Servants don’t scale like DBZ characters. I don’t think the basic Servant frame is capable of withstanding the power output of the legendary mystic code. In universe is one thing but Enkidu needs more feats against people who aren't Gilgamesh. @sy8000: living versions are without doubt superior to their servant selves when it comes to people like Gil and Enkidu. True Archer, his mind being free of madness or the hate against the gods, is an extremely heroic individual. Alcides by contrast did very well against Archer Gilgamesh, and scaling from Gil is why Enkidu is considered impressive. Now it should be possible to raise spirit-particle rank according to Gilgamesh’s will. Who can beat Gilgamesh(Archer)? Archer with enough mana supply for Broken Phantasms (12+ lives), Plus full powered Saber's Excalibur(6 to 12 lives), Medea spells … I originally thought the same as you. It's a bit of schrodinger's cat. He cannot turn into an archer.LocationBegin visib His lack of versatility and raw power really hurts him in that department. This is likely the legendary mystic code. He acknowledges Archer's combat ability, at least internally, and thus sees him as a threat. I'm basically going off of the current anime and that's the version being used. Conditions: 1. But isn’t a Servant Killer like Gilgamesh who can pull out a weapon that counters what you can do. Gil admitted Kingu could have murdered him if his memories didn't interfere and make him conflicted. Karna for his part is considered a match for Gilgamesh but doesn't beat top tier servants anywhere near as easily. By the by, it's a bit hard to compare Kingu to the Enkidu that appears in Strange Fake because their abilities are shown different. Gil had his ships and nukes all when he was alive too given AoGs tech. 800-772-5488 Fax: 419-994-3396 229 N. Mt. The rest of the mystic codes were amps for other servants but not Gilgamesh. So the Gilgamesh in CCC is equal to Gilgamesh when he was alive and also equivalent to a Grand Servant. Watched it. Enkidu still needs more. Granted you could argued it was implied afterwards Enkidu is stronger but my understanding is Enkidu is roughly equal to Archer Gilgamesh basically? Initially worried that he was going after the girl, the group notice that he was going after to kill a beast that was behind the girl. Enkidu was clearly conflicted throughout the fight and it's not as if Gilgamesh can't fight without moving his leg. In the anime it seems he's using the chain of heaven instead, though it does seem likely they're intended to have the same effect. Gil's vault increased a lot after dying, a Heroic Spirit Gil should be stronger than Living Gil because of that. People need to remember that Caster Gil is actually better as a support than anything (his only EX-ranked NP in this state is used to give perfect battle tactics). The nature of Gate of Babylon makes it uncertain if the servant version has more weapons. And not being limited to class containers in general. Enkidu still needs more. It hasn't been stated there's a difference between them but we know Gil is inherently superior to all Servants via Nasuverse rules. Gil outright uses a full power Ea and Enkidu outright says they’ll “Go full throttle”. If beating Enkidu was as simple as pulling out a specific weapon or time and using its effect then Enkidu would have died in their first battle. Which is a crucial difference. Gilgamesh, Archer vs Archer (Fate/stay night) - This is a tough one. I don't remember Merlin being a servant when he reappeared but he was the one keeping Tiamat asleep in the first place even when fighting Gorgon. No they were playing around that’s why they were both so happy as they were fighting and laughing, and Gilgamesh even calls it a reunion when rider was coming to stop their fight cuz it was disturbing his master. Not seeing how this is a fight. Alcides already no-sold a standard GoB barrage). He didn't really win the fight by being stronger but more so by being smarter. There are some things Gil would/should/probably does have that would get through, but Ea is the main one and Caster Gil doesn't have it. Gil Beats certain servants easier than other servants because he naturally has the best matchup against them. You're not listening. Yes but Enkidu's projectiles don't have special abilities. One clash does not dead equals make. @ecoblitz: It is because it isn’t something he Uses/has access to normally. Enkidu has the basic aspect of his legend to show he’s Gilgamesh’s equal. It’s less like Captain Marvel vs Superman and more along the lines that Enkidu is a built hard counter to Gilgamesh. My point is Kingu caught Gill off guard. Alcides is less of a mouthfull by the way. @swagpack: So the CCC Genesis Mystic Code can boost Gilgamesh's stats, but in Hollow Ataraxia, his Genesis Mystic Code can't?? Enkidu doesn’t need feats against other Servants when the feats he has prove he’s Gil’s equal by virtue of canonically stalemating him in lore and his battle against Gil in strange fake showing them as being dead equal. Gil wasn't really overwhelmed. @zgtfreak: he is free to dm me a correction because from what I’ve seen that’s it. Archer Gilgamesh being far more powerful is confirmed or at least heavily implied later in the story. After Tokiomi's death, he forged a new contract with Kirei Kotomine that lasted until the Fifth Holy Grail War. 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